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Thursday, June 16th, 2011 11:03 am
How do your characters vote politically?

It seems like a stupid question at first. "They're fictional characters...they don't vote!"

Well, yes and no. For most of us, our fictional characters are set in real-world scenario that involves politics and political views. Large portions of them are American citizens - off the top of my head: Jack O'Neill, Sam Carter, Daniel Jackson, Cameron Mitchell, Elizabeth Weir, John Sheppard, Jennifer Keller, Walter, Chuck, Siler, Jethro Gibbs, Tony DiNozzo, Abby Sciuto, Tim McGee - now Ziva's an American citizen, with the right to vote.

And that's just three fandoms!

No, Americans don't have to vote the way we do in Australia...but if you're a thinking, intelligent human being - and if you want to argue any of the above being unintelligent, I have Mistah Steel Brick In A Sock waiting to meet your brain - then you have political opinions, even if you don't vote.

So which way do your favourite characters swing politically? What do they think of the vast range of political topics available for consideration and discussion? Have you ever thought about this?
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Thursday, June 16th, 2011 02:00 am (UTC)
I've definitely thought about this! I once argued that Gibbs was a Republican, to the astonishment of quite a few NCIS fangirls. They seemed to think that simply because they liked and slashed the character he couldn't be a Republican. *facepalm*

I'd argue that Gibbs, Jack, and Cam are very likely Republican. Which isn't to say a fanfic couldn't convince me otherwise, but overall they seem to fall more on the conservative end of the political spectrum. Sam, Sheppard, and DiNozzo are probably Republican too, though a case can be made that they arent: Sam being a woman who probably has more liberal tendencies, DiNozzo and Sheppard might vote Democrat in opposition to their more-than-likely Republican families. Daniel Jackson is very likely a Democrat, though in recent years he might have voted Republican since a Republican president would most likely give SGC more funding.

I think McKay is probably Liberal or NDP. I base this mostly on geography, because McKay is either from Vancouver (based on Jeannie's location) or Toronto (based on Hewlett's) and those cities are generally Liberal. Plus, he's from academia, which skews left.
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 03:27 am (UTC)
There's still a sizable Democrat minority, but yeah, the military skews Republican. OTOH, I think race/ethnicity also plays a part, especially if we're talking law enforcement instead of the military: I don't really have stats to back me up, but I'd say African-American cops like David Sinclair (Numb3rs) and Roy Montgomery (Castle) are probably still Democrats. An FBI agent like Derek Morgan (Criminal Minds), growing up poor and black in Chicago, would still be a Democrat, I think.

Cam Mitchell (male, Caucasian, military officer from a military family, from rural Kansas) would definitely be Republican, however.

Which isn't to say that they always vote that way, or that they agree with all the issues

ITA.

Ooh, here's a challenge for you, if you'd be interested in writing it: politics among the Athosians. How exactly did Teyla become leader? Is it a solely inherited position? Or did she still have to "campaign" or get voted in? Does she have a council?
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 03:52 am (UTC)
Historically, the US military has skewed Republican ever since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation which formally made the war about freeing slaves instead of saving the union, at which point the Democrats (who tended to be proslavery) resigned, deserted, or didn't re-enlist while the Republicans (who tended to be antislavery, even if they weren't abolitionists) stayed in.* There is an interesting question that I've always wanted to know the answer to but no historian that I know of has asked: is the current/last few generations of the military Republican because the Republican party has military views they approve of, or does the Republican party have a strong military orientation in certain branches because the military has historically been Republican?

*Yes, until the 1960s, Republicans were generally better about race issues than Democrats. But that's not saying much.

Also, with American politics it can be important to know what branch of a party speaks to someone. We have only two major parties, but that doesn't mean we have any fewer political viewpoints/groups than other countries, just that the alliances between the different groups tend to be more entrenched than elsewhere. For instance, I am a Republican because I am fiscally conservative (i.e. don't spend money you don't have) and think small governments are better than big ones; there are certain things that must be done by government, but most things tend to be much better run if they are not done by government. I like small businesses and am leery of big corporations. There are a lot of Republicans like me. But there are also a lot of Republicans who don't really care much about small government or fiscal conservatism. There are Republicans whose main reason for voting Republican are the military and foreign policy. There are Republicans whose hot-button issue is the Moral Majority/Conservative Christian let's-legislate-morality-and-go-back-to-the-1950's thinking. (I am conservative, and a Christian, but I am emphatically not a Conservative Christian.) You get the idea.

It's got to be tough for an outsider to make sense of well enough to write. I mean, even in America there is a nasty tendency to view the other party (whichever one is opposite you, I mean) as one big stereotypical bunch of idiots marching along in lockstep, and ignoring things like the fact that the feminists, the Black Caucus, and the good-ole-boy Southern Democrats are members of the same party but extremely different.
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 08:28 pm (UTC)
There is an interesting question that I've always wanted to know the answer to but no historian that I know of has asked: is the current/last few generations of the military Republican because the Republican party has military views they approve of, or does the Republican party have a strong military orientation in certain branches because the military has historically been Republican?

Oh wow, that is completely fascinating -- while I did know that the Republicans have historically been the progressive/anti-slavery/pro-civil rights party, I had absolutely no idea about the Civil War having had that effect. I'd always assumed the strong Republican association with the military was a much more recent thing. It is a good question, cause or effect ...!
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 02:05 am (UTC)
As it happens, I have thought about this before.
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 08:37 pm (UTC)
I once did a poll about this w/regard to SGA characters. (Now I can't find it, bah). Anyway, IIRC the consensus was: McKay votes NPD, *if* he can deal with the fact that they're all stupid (a big if). Sheppard, most people thought, doesn't vote.

In the US, voting is *very* sensitive to religion and gay-friendliness, and becoming more so all the time. I think Sam Carter votes Dem, Daniel votes either Democratic or Green. Jack used to vote Republican, but now doesn't vote, he's met too many politicians to stand the smell of any of them.
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
In the US, voting is *very* sensitive to religion and gay-friendliness

Region, yes; gay-friendliness, I'm not so sure about -- I think that whether or not that's a big issue for a significant number of voters probably depends on where you are. I mean, I can authoritatively say that in Alaska, it's not even on most people's radar (though it's a signficant issue in my own voting patterns, so individual exceptions, etc). The big issues that drive voting in this state are gun control and environmental issues (particularly those surrounding federal control of wild lands).
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 09:13 pm (UTC)
I said "religion", not "region". *g* Though there's that, too, of course.

The gay-friendliness thing can be *very* important if you're gay, or know you have gay friends.
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 09:34 pm (UTC)
hahahaha, I totally read that as "region". Religion! Yes! Reading comprehension FAIL.

I think that's true across the board, though, right? People vote based on the issues that affect them most closely as individuals. Abortion is a huge voting issue for women and for religious people. Gun right/Second Amendment issues are one of the biggies in rural areas. In Alaska and some of the other Western states (Montana, Wyoming, places like that) federal control of lands, i.e. environmental conservation, is one of the big ones, but in urban areas and heavily urbanized states, it's hardly a make-it-or-break-it voting issue. I think gay rights are something that's newly come onto the landscape *as* a big issue in America (to join a small fleet of other big issues -- abortion, economics, war & defense, etc.) but I think it's a bit misleading to say that it's next to religion as the biggest on a national level.
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC)
Er, I hope my last couple of comments didn't come across unreasonably argumentative. If so, I'm sorry! I figured I ought to come back and explain myself a little better. It's not that I don't think gay rights is an important issue (it certainly is for me). I think the reason why I disagreed with your original comment is because typically in fanfic that deals with politics (and I'm thinking mostly of slash here), I see gay rights characterized as THE ISSUE around which most of the characters' political behavior revolves. And that may be true for some people, certainly, but there's something that doesn't sit well with me about the idea that just being gay means gay rights (usually as translated to gay marriage and/or repealing DADT) is your One True Issue around which your politics revolve.

Again I'm going off personal anecdata here, which is, well, you know. But, for example, I'm close friends with a married couple who are queer on a couple of axes (bi and poly), and are firm, vocal supporters of gay rights and mildly to strongly liberal on most social issues. So you'd think they'd vote Democrat, right? Except they are also gun owners and their "make it or break it" issue happens to be the Second Amendment and gun control, which frequently leads them to vote for Republican candidates.

Soooo ... I'm really not trying to be argumentative here; I'm not saying that a fictional character being concerned with gay rights would necessarily jump out at me as automatic OOC-ness, but I do think that it often reads in fanfic as the author projecting their own politics onto the character. I think gay rights/gay-friendliness as a determiner of voting behavior is hugely important in some circles (it's certainly a big thing in the feminist/queer blogosphere, which is one of the reasons why I like it there *g*) -- but outside those demographics, not so much, and from inside, it's hard to see that the rest of the country doesn't view it likewise. Kind of like, say, gun rights/gun control are a huge thing in some demographics, but if you're living in a big city or a blue state, keeping the government's hands off your guns is probably not even in the top 20 things you're worried about.

Which is why I still think that "region" in your comment makes a lot of sense, misread or not. *g* I do think that viewing U.S. politics as a set of overlapping regional and subcultural demographics is more useful than trying to lump it all together into one bloc of voting behavior.
Edited (had to clarify an unclear sentence) 2011-06-16 11:27 pm (UTC)
Thursday, June 16th, 2011 08:45 pm (UTC)
Oh! In H50:

Steve has always voted Republican -- at least, up till now.

Danny comes from a union family, and is a union man. He votes Democratic, now more than ever.

I don't know enough about how party politics plays out in Hawaii to be sure how Chin & Kono vote. If it correlates with national politics, Chin doesn't vote, Kono votes Democratic.
Saturday, June 18th, 2011 09:18 pm (UTC)
I think that's an interesting point. I also think for most fic writers, it is there, even if it is subconscious b/c how a person votes tends to come from the values they hold dear to them. I think Daniel votes Democrat -- when he remembers to vote. Elizabeth probably voted Democrat. John, given how he grew up is probably a Republican, unless he decided to rebel even further from Daddy and vote Democrat to spite him. I would say most of the military characters vote Republican, as many of the armed forces tend to vote Republican as opposed to Democratic. Granted, the SG characters may buck that trend, but I doubt it. {shrugs]