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Just recalling a conversation with some people regarding Sheppard's actions in 'SGA: Conversion' and their sentiments: "I hope he apologised to Weir after nearly strangling her."
To be honest, it never occurred to me that he wouldn't. John Sheppard is a man who pays his dues, and I imagine he had a lot of apologies to tender after his buggy incident - all those guys that he beat up for one. But looking back through several conversations, and recalling an earlier SG-1 fandom kerfuffle over pairings and 'who was going to get the hero', I remember some interesting arguments/discussions/what-have-yous that took place.
One of the things that we tend to forget about television is that it is a very focused medium. The writers tend to focus on the things that they want people to notice, and those that they don't particularly care about are 'forgotten'.
In Stargate SG-1 fandom, there was a lot of kerfuffle over Jack resigning to kiss Sam in 'Window of Opportunity', particularly after the fandom blowout that 'Divide and Conquer' produced only weeks before. People argued that Jack was really in love with Daniel and that he certainly kissed Daniel in another loop that we didn't get to see. Or something like that.
Maybe he did.
However, we aren't shown it, it isn't referred to, and TPTB chose to focus on the relationship between Jack and Sam at this stage, rather than any possible Jack/Daniel dynamic (much to the outrage of Jack/Daniel slashers).
It occurs to me that much of the reaction by the Jack/Daniel fen in the wake of 'Divide and Conquer' closely resembles the behaviour presently seen in the Harry/Hermione fen in the wake of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince'. "But that's not the story TPTB were really telling! We didn't see the signposts and if there were signposts, they're obviously wrong!"
Odd, considering that canon interaction is all that's usually required to pair a couple of characters. And even that's not always required.
I really don't get shipping.
Then again, I ship Liz Weir/Ronan Dex. So ner.
In 'Conversion', the reaction that TPTB considered important enough to display was John's concern over what he did to Teyla, not what he did to Elizabeth. Which might indicate where their priorities lie as far as the mending of relationships with John Sheppard. For them, Sheppard's relationship with Teyla requires more finesse and care - possibly because he has to work with Elizabeth and so that relationship would have to be worked out, while Teyla could easily walk away from him, his team, and never trust him again.
I dunno, it's just a thought.
Anyway, considering these are the same PTB that wrote most of Season 4-plus of Stargate SG-1, and that the shows change, the writing remains the same (trained monkeys writing early SG-1 Season 9 episodes notwithstanding), I'd say that there's a good indication that what they're wanting to signpost is in the direction of John/Teyla rather than John/Elizabeth - whatever the scenes between John/Elizabeth.
And that's the signpost that the casual viewer of the show will read rather than the subtext.
Again, just a thought. And I have been known to occasionally be wrong.
*wonders if there'll ever be an episode that works like HP: HBP in Atlantis fandom*
*orders popcorn in preparation*
To be honest, it never occurred to me that he wouldn't. John Sheppard is a man who pays his dues, and I imagine he had a lot of apologies to tender after his buggy incident - all those guys that he beat up for one. But looking back through several conversations, and recalling an earlier SG-1 fandom kerfuffle over pairings and 'who was going to get the hero', I remember some interesting arguments/discussions/what-have-yous that took place.
One of the things that we tend to forget about television is that it is a very focused medium. The writers tend to focus on the things that they want people to notice, and those that they don't particularly care about are 'forgotten'.
In Stargate SG-1 fandom, there was a lot of kerfuffle over Jack resigning to kiss Sam in 'Window of Opportunity', particularly after the fandom blowout that 'Divide and Conquer' produced only weeks before. People argued that Jack was really in love with Daniel and that he certainly kissed Daniel in another loop that we didn't get to see. Or something like that.
Maybe he did.
However, we aren't shown it, it isn't referred to, and TPTB chose to focus on the relationship between Jack and Sam at this stage, rather than any possible Jack/Daniel dynamic (much to the outrage of Jack/Daniel slashers).
It occurs to me that much of the reaction by the Jack/Daniel fen in the wake of 'Divide and Conquer' closely resembles the behaviour presently seen in the Harry/Hermione fen in the wake of 'Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince'. "But that's not the story TPTB were really telling! We didn't see the signposts and if there were signposts, they're obviously wrong!"
Odd, considering that canon interaction is all that's usually required to pair a couple of characters. And even that's not always required.
I really don't get shipping.
Then again, I ship Liz Weir/Ronan Dex. So ner.
In 'Conversion', the reaction that TPTB considered important enough to display was John's concern over what he did to Teyla, not what he did to Elizabeth. Which might indicate where their priorities lie as far as the mending of relationships with John Sheppard. For them, Sheppard's relationship with Teyla requires more finesse and care - possibly because he has to work with Elizabeth and so that relationship would have to be worked out, while Teyla could easily walk away from him, his team, and never trust him again.
I dunno, it's just a thought.
Anyway, considering these are the same PTB that wrote most of Season 4-plus of Stargate SG-1, and that the shows change, the writing remains the same (trained monkeys writing early SG-1 Season 9 episodes notwithstanding), I'd say that there's a good indication that what they're wanting to signpost is in the direction of John/Teyla rather than John/Elizabeth - whatever the scenes between John/Elizabeth.
And that's the signpost that the casual viewer of the show will read rather than the subtext.
Again, just a thought. And I have been known to occasionally be wrong.
*wonders if there'll ever be an episode that works like HP: HBP in Atlantis fandom*
*orders popcorn in preparation*
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It is possible too that there was the thought that John kissing Teyla was more confronting, since it was a sexualised assult at a time when they did not think anything was wrong with him and he seemed fine, whereas he attacked Elizabeth after warning her that he was dangerous and when he was half bug. As a result, the appology to Teyla might have seemed more important to be shown (particularly since if they had not depicted such an appology their audience would rightly have been upset). Elizabeth's appology would have been dropped for two reasons - firstly, time constraints, and secondly an unwillingness for the show to repeat itself with two appologies - dramatic considerations.
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I'm just looking at it in the context of previous shipping wars in Stargate fandom. :)
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I was not there for those, thank god. But, yeah, there's a definite (and in this case intentional) sense of pairing conflict in Atlantis, which can only make me wonder if they *want* ship wars. Plus, now they've got the whole Ronon/Teyla thing going too. I really hope they never confirm or deny any particular ship, because ow. Fannish fallout from ship wars is never good.
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Although, to be fair, they did indicate preference at the start of the show; they've just since indicated that they're going to keep it 'open'.
And fannish fallout? Apparently there were some minor implosions in some sections of Atlantis fandom after 'Conversion'.
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*headdesks*
*coughs* I'm personally of the opinion that there's no competition from the Shep/McKay side of things because they're both straight... *g* Of course, many slashers would disagree.
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happyless wankful.*coughs* I'm personally of the opinion that there's no competition from the Shep/McKay side of things because they're both straight... *g* Of course, many slashers would disagree.
And, also, the show seems to be supporting more of a McKay/Carson thing. (And how amused am I that I can say that?) Of course that doesn't stop me slashing them, but I really need no cannon to slash anyone. (Uh. Provided it's well written). What I do like about SGA is that there's so many different pairings that I like. It's good to have some variety. :)
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And how amused am I that I can say that?
Very? *g*
I'm not much of a slasher, although I had major w00t-ness during SG-1 with '48 Hours' (Daniel/Paul Davis! Daniel/Paul Davis!) Ah, it was long ago.
I just can't see the slash in Atlantis. (Not even McKay/Beckett after 'Duet' - it just doesn't gel in my brain.) As it is, I can barely see the ships (yes, that includes my abiding fondness for Shep/Teyla, Liz/Ronan, and McKay/Weir).
Gimme team, gimme team, gimme sweet sweet team!
(Doo-do mmm doo-do mmm doo-do mmm doo-do yeah!)
I should get to bed. It's midnight here...
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Gimme team, gimme team, gimme sweet sweet team!
(Doo-do mmm doo-do mmm doo-do mmm doo-do yeah!)
Hee. I really liked the team scene in 'Conversion' where they were all hanging out in the mess hall. That was sweet. It was a moment of squeeTM.
And, yeah, I need to sleep too. It's past midnight here as well, and I was going to be in bed at 11. Whoops. Damn icons that won't work they way I want them too.
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Then there is the element of sexual vs. physical attack. And one's a double violation.
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In the end, Shep/Weir blah blah, Shep/Teyla blah blah...WHERE THE HELL ARE THE SCENES WITH RODNEY AND ELIZABETH?
*Ahem* Sorry, it's been a bit of a drought and I'm bummed out. Please don't tell me that TPTB are pushing away any Weir/Rodney interactions in favor of her spending more time with Shep. They had a decent friendship at least, and now it appears to be dwindling...
And I haven't read HP:HBP so NO spoilers please, but I'm now completely intrugued by the fact that the H/H fen are upset about something. I actually lean toward OT3, but I never doubted the fact that H/R was going to be canon. *shrug*
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Although I imagine that Liz would have at least issues with trusting someone and then having him half-strangle her, even if she was treating John as dangerous (which she wasn't, which is a whole new level of annoyance for me).