They really could have used the Leverage crew to help out with those shenanigans?
I wouldn't entirely disagree with that premise, but the battlefield at the end was less a time heist and more a sudden shift into a war film right at the end.
I guess I'm just not sure what a 'time heist' is? Stealing time? From who? For what purpose?
I mean, yeah, they stole the stones and pulled the past through time into the future, but...IDK. The phrase makes no sense to me. Maybe I'm thinking too 3D; one cannot steal time...
I think you're thinking very literally; it's not stealing time, it's more like using time travel as a major part of the heist process. They're playing with time, going back and forth and creating new realities as part of the heist. It's a very vague metaphor.
Yeah, it started out as an aftermath-of-war film, and then there was assembling-the-team which was kinda lighthearted (if often annoyingly so), and then it plunged back into grim sadness again. I'll be forever surprised they killed off half the team and scattered the rest. I know part of that was the supposed "Well why wouldn't they just show up again if they were needed?" problem, and also making way for the newer Avengers which was explicit in the gauntlet-tossing bits. And if I look way, way back to the original Avengers movie, it turns out that really wasn't a Team The Best Team movie at all and every. single. team movie after that wound up ending with the team divided. Which I felt was not what I had signed up for!
("nothingbutsalt.gif" is my reaction to this movie)
I am one of those annoying bitter (typo'd "biter," lol) people who will forever maintain Endgame wasn't a time-travel anything. They even say it in the film -- it's about the multiverses, and the reason they have to do the complicated stupid do-si-do with taking the stones out and putting them back in IMMEDIATELY //EYEROLL FOREVER was keeping the multiverses from breaking down. They explicitly said, you can't change anything, because when you go into the future now that's your past and if you do something, that means you're in another 'verse blahblah. Leaving aside the dumbfuck Cap ending, and the whole "you can't step in the same river twice" problem, they were actually kind of consistent with that. Nearly every time travel story I've ever seen has a loop structure, and the (dumbass) writers kind of tried to do that with Cap, but it didn't make sense because it didn't fit in with the ENTIRE REST of the (dumbass) movie. When there's no loop structure, a lot of the time there's an inevitable dystopia (stepping on a butterfly).
I read the movie as, this is the ONE chance they get to defeat Thanos -- this is the one thing that saves the universe, in all the multiverses. (Yay exceptionalism!) What Agents of Shield did with that one character from the past (trying not to spoil here) is more like typical time travel -- they pluck him out of his own timestream, where he's assumed to have died, and he gets to live in the future.
So the whole "Let's do a time heist!" thing is cute, and supposed to justify Scott freakin' Lang having a giant part in the grand finale, but the Russos were talking out of their ass about how the first half was "a heist movie." It didn't resemble heist movies in any way, not in plot elements, tone, or genre. This is more subjective of me, but I associate heist plots with a team working together, doing intricate stuff that all interlocks and they're parts in a bigger whole. With the "time (rocks) heist" thing, that was three separate teams, doing entirely different things, that depended on them getting back together and putting all the stones in a glove, but only one person could work it. And it didn't even matter that the NYC 2012 "heist" went pear-shaped and they didn't get the rock and Loki went free and 2012 Rogers learned Bucky was alive blahblah -- they were just able to go back even further (so Steve could have his I WANT TO LIVE IN THE 1950S! moment, but I -- bitterly -- digress). In a real heist setup, when one part goes wrong, that wrecks everything else and they have to come up with something else, fast, on the fly. Not just "Hey let's go to 1970 so Steve can see Peggy and Tony can see Howard and Jarvis can have a cameo!"
....lol I'm still so fucking bitter about that movie. I RESENT I am still spending neurons and emotional energy on this movie. If someone ever wants to resurrect me, all they will have to do is lean over my coffin at the funeral and say, really loudly, "She LOVED Endgame, didn't she....?"
This morning I woke up realising why I'm so angry at Endgame.
Fine, Steve gets his "do over".
Where's ours? We have to live in the shittiness of this universe without getting to go back to 'better times' - which is really just faking it, because all that shit that went down? is still gonna happen - and yet Steve gets to skive off from the half-a-universe-hauled-out-of-deep-deep-deep-freeze and live happily-ever-after without bothering to try?
Yeah, no, not heroic. Not worthy. NOPE.
If someone ever wants to resurrect me, all they will have to do is lean over my coffin at the funeral and say, really loudly, "She LOVED Endgame, didn't she....?"
I can't decide if that's the start of a comedy movie or a horror movie. Possibly both? :D
all that shit that went down? is still gonna happen - and yet Steve gets to skive off from the half-a-universe-hauled-out-of-deep-deep-deep-freeze and live happily-ever-after without bothering to try?
I think what enrages me the most is not just that it's sloppy storytelling, not just that it erases PEGGY's story, but it's so completely unlike Steve. I just can't imagine him noping out in the middle of the incredible aftermath that's going to happen in the wake of the Unsnap and the war they just had with Thanos. Much less leaving his friends. (Let's not even talk about Sam and Bucky.) It's SO uncharacteristic. And it's canon! (Well, some people want to believe it's canon. For me it's one of those "this is what fanfic is FOR" installments.)
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I wouldn't entirely disagree with that premise, but the battlefield at the end was less a time heist and more a sudden shift into a war film right at the end.
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I mean, yeah, they stole the stones and pulled the past through time into the future, but...IDK. The phrase makes no sense to me. Maybe I'm thinking too 3D; one cannot steal time...
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I guess I don't see how this is an AU...
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("nothingbutsalt.gif" is my reaction to this movie)
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I read the movie as, this is the ONE chance they get to defeat Thanos -- this is the one thing that saves the universe, in all the multiverses. (Yay exceptionalism!) What Agents of Shield did with that one character from the past (trying not to spoil here) is more like typical time travel -- they pluck him out of his own timestream, where he's assumed to have died, and he gets to live in the future.
So the whole "Let's do a time heist!" thing is cute, and supposed to justify Scott freakin' Lang having a giant part in the grand finale, but the Russos were talking out of their ass about how the first half was "a heist movie." It didn't resemble heist movies in any way, not in plot elements, tone, or genre. This is more subjective of me, but I associate heist plots with a team working together, doing intricate stuff that all interlocks and they're parts in a bigger whole. With the "time (rocks) heist" thing, that was three separate teams, doing entirely different things, that depended on them getting back together and putting all the stones in a glove, but only one person could work it. And it didn't even matter that the NYC 2012 "heist" went pear-shaped and they didn't get the rock and Loki went free and 2012 Rogers learned Bucky was alive blahblah -- they were just able to go back even further (so Steve could have his I WANT TO LIVE IN THE 1950S! moment, but I -- bitterly -- digress). In a real heist setup, when one part goes wrong, that wrecks everything else and they have to come up with something else, fast, on the fly. Not just "Hey let's go to 1970 so Steve can see Peggy and Tony can see Howard and Jarvis can have a cameo!"
....lol I'm still so fucking bitter about that movie. I RESENT I am still spending neurons and emotional energy on this movie. If someone ever wants to resurrect me, all they will have to do is lean over my coffin at the funeral and say, really loudly, "She LOVED Endgame, didn't she....?"
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Fine, Steve gets his "do over".
Where's ours? We have to live in the shittiness of this universe without getting to go back to 'better times' - which is really just faking it, because all that shit that went down? is still gonna happen - and yet Steve gets to skive off from the half-a-universe-hauled-out-of-deep-deep-deep-freeze and live happily-ever-after without bothering to try?
Yeah, no, not heroic. Not worthy. NOPE.
If someone ever wants to resurrect me, all they will have to do is lean over my coffin at the funeral and say, really loudly, "She LOVED Endgame, didn't she....?"
I can't decide if that's the start of a comedy movie or a horror movie. Possibly both? :D
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I think what enrages me the most is not just that it's sloppy storytelling, not just that it erases PEGGY's story, but it's so completely unlike Steve. I just can't imagine him noping out in the middle of the incredible aftermath that's going to happen in the wake of the Unsnap and the war they just had with Thanos. Much less leaving his friends. (Let's not even talk about Sam and Bucky.) It's SO uncharacteristic. And it's canon! (Well, some people want to believe it's canon. For me it's one of those "this is what fanfic is FOR" installments.)
Possibly both? :D
LOL, why not both indeed??