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An outspoken fan has revealed the shocking truth about John/Teyla over at JoeM's blog:
HOW CAN I POSSIBLY CONTINUE TO SHIP JOHN/TEYLA WHEN CLEARLY IT GOES AGAINST ALL THAT IS GOOD, DECENT, AND HOLY IN THE UNIVERSE???!?!?!
It may be time for a new LJ name...
ETA: I bet it's the same poster that posted this comment that I noted back in April! It sounds like her.
"It is well past time for SGA to stop trying to push Sheppard/Teyla. It's immoral, it's sexist, it's racist, it subverts everything that's been established about these characters"Did you know this? Why didn't anyone tell me I was being immoral?
HOW CAN I POSSIBLY CONTINUE TO SHIP JOHN/TEYLA WHEN CLEARLY IT GOES AGAINST ALL THAT IS GOOD, DECENT, AND HOLY IN THE UNIVERSE???!?!?!
It may be time for a new LJ name...
ETA: I bet it's the same poster that posted this comment that I noted back in April! It sounds like her.
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Dear God. Did you really have to be such a nitwit? Really?
*facepalming like you wouldn't believe*
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Still, after four years shipping John/Teyla with reasonable prominence in SGA fandom, I've seen the "this is everything that's wrong about the universe" line of thought towards the pairing before - palmed off with a little more subtlety, admittedly.
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And on that note I'm going to bed, leaving the crazy of the interwebs behind for another day.
Geez.
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There's no crazy like show crazy! Or maybe it's the earth logic (or lack thereof).
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seriously, I don't see how it could be racist. (see my upcoming The Mummy 4 review)
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seriously, I don't see how it could be racist.
Well, I'm not so assured that this person is thinking in Earth Logic.
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The immorality is the only thing I can see that remotely applies, but even that's a stretch. . .but sexist and racist? Uhm. . .huh?
Another comment that stood out to me was someone talking about how the baby didn't look like it could be Teyla and Kanaan's. Like, huh? Actually, I think they did an excellent job picking out a baby that has both of their features, if you want to nitpick (Kanaan's nose, a mix of both their complexions, and brown air like Teyla). *shrug* Apparently some opinionated viewers are on drugs this season.
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'Immoral' might be related to the fact that Teyla has a child by a man other than John - a man who's still alive. It means she wants to have sex with more than the one man in her life. That's immoral, isn't it??
Or, maybe she's just after John's child support payments since Kanaan proved to be such a no-hoper!
Yes, that must be it!
I'm not treating this stupidity with quite the gravity I probably should, am I?
The racist part worries me. The only interpretaion I can put on this is that "mixed-race relationships are inherently racist" - an argument that was brought up in a racewank back a couple of months ago by someone who was arguing about Joss Whedon's racism and sexism issues.
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It's been noted before that in television in general, there are very few examples of people of color being involved with each other, and a sense that in one way or another, it's always got to be about the white guy.
That said, this person's objections sounded to me like a way to obscure the fact that her real issue is that she ships John with someone else.
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I'm not saying that I buy that argument--it would be pretty silly of me to say that--but I have heard it applied to SGA in particular. I've also had someone outside of SGA fandom who watches the show mention the "native princess" trope with the John and Teyla dynamic, and I think there's definitely some stuff going on there that can be legitimately viewed as more of the writers' skeevy race and gender issues.
I don't want to see John and Teyla in the show. I don't want to see John and Rodney, or Rodney and Keller, or anyone else, because no matter who the pairing is, the SGA writing team will fuck it up. These are the guys who think that date rape drugs and sexual harrassment are funny, and who don't understand why Torri would be pissed at the way she was treated. They can't even be consistent with their own canon. No--if I want John/Teyla, I'll read your fic, because I know it'll be done well and respectfully to both characters.
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BINGO!
Thus, have you neatly and featly encapsulated my chiefest issues with any canonical John/Teyla.
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(On the other hand, your icon reminds me of how much I'm looking forward to reading your Big Bang fic.)
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The one where John's in love with someone else and TPTB are trying to twist his true nature around to caring about Teyla, when it's obvious he doesn't. TheirchemistryissoforcedFTW!
Apparently some opinionated viewers are on drugs this season.
There are always some viewers on drugs, every season, in every fandom. They're just not usually this prominent. *grimace*
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Okay, this is why I don't stick around in Atlantis fandom much anymore. I CAN'T TAKE THE CRAZY PEOPLE. I stick in non-angry corners of fandom where we all gather for the revolutionary notion of having FUN and ENJOYMENT with the show.
Good lord. Just because she doesn't like the pairing doesn't mean that it goes against the fabric of all creation. The Anonymous Commenter needs some perspective...
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They provide a little colour from time to time. :D
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...they're not John/Teyla shippers? :D *runs away from most of her f-list*
The best answer I have is the one that
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I really hate it when a fan tries to convince people on the show that their idea is the way things are supposed to be.
I think all of you have hit upon the truth. All different facets of the same person.
No wonder people in the entertainment industry and at the Scifi Channel don't respect fans. The ones that stand out are always the lunatic fringe.
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It kind of strikes me that such commentary comes from a white McShepper who is, quite frankly, trying way too hard. You can pretty much bet, that if the person was pushed for reasoning, it'd be racist in its own right.
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But, yeah, I suspect that in the racism quarters, this is much the same mentality as the person who believed that Zoe/Wash of Firefly was inherently racist/abusive.
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i actually thinks the baby looks a little like rachel's son, my boyfriend keeps asking is that her real kid.
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On the other hand, there's being led up the garden path, and there's being told repeatedly in multiple interviews with the actors and PTB that if there is any pairing in the show, it's this one.
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2. Sexist: either heterosexual relationships are inherently sexist because of the Earth disposition to patriarchal societies, or Teyla is a woman on John's team and any relationship that might spring up between them would be inherently tainted by his commander privileges.
3. Racist: white/non-white relationships are inherently racist due to the power imbalance between whites and non-white races that inevitably manifests itself in personal relationships, irrespective of personality or previous experience.
4. Subverting the characters: John is gay. He has all the classic hallmarks of it. He was married to a woman but that marriage failed. He's career military. He openly admires women. He has many male buddies. He has only ever been seen kissing women.
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This was all an attempt to disguise his TRULUVVVV4RODNEY!!!111
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*is a happy Sam/Daniel shipper*
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I have friends who still grumble about the end of 'original team' SG1.
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Now I'm going to wonder how many fans out in fandom agree with her - even sekritly. "John/Teyla is subverting the characters' very natures!"
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Reading it at JM's blog got me giggling before I went to work. It's just... Get over yourself already. I hope JM put her in her place.
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Interestingly enough, he didn't question it being immoral... Make of that what you will...
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I can't see Teyla feeling threatened by John, she could so kick his ass.
It's immoral, it's sexist, it's racist
I don't see how it's any of those.
Immoral, as far as we know she is not married to Kanaan and no one knows after everything that went on in S4 if Kanaan and Teyla are still together or if they will be together in the future. And if they aren't together in the future, what is the issue with John and Teyla getting together other than it not fitting with the poster's world view.
Sexist, the only time I ever saw Teyla unnerved by John was when he was Bug!John and then, iirc, he backed off when he regained some control. Now you could say that John is intimidated by Teyla ;).
Racist, uhm, :: scratches head :: that doesn't even deserve a response it's sooooooo ridiculous.
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I think it's mostly someone who has issues with the pairing throwing a hissyfit.
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And I would agree that the poster has issues with the pairing.
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People frighten me sometimes.
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I wandered over to read your fic and saw this. Had to join with the wtf-ery. I am a bit gobsmacked about the whole thing, and yet not really all that surprised.
Sigh...
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Dear God. Did you really have to be such a nitwit? Really?
*facepalming like you wouldn't believe*
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Still, after four years shipping John/Teyla with reasonable prominence in SGA fandom, I've seen the "this is everything that's wrong about the universe" line of thought towards the pairing before - palmed off with a little more subtlety, admittedly.
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And on that note I'm going to bed, leaving the crazy of the interwebs behind for another day.
Geez.
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There's no crazy like show crazy! Or maybe it's the earth logic (or lack thereof).
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seriously, I don't see how it could be racist. (see my upcoming The Mummy 4 review)
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seriously, I don't see how it could be racist.
Well, I'm not so assured that this person is thinking in Earth Logic.
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The immorality is the only thing I can see that remotely applies, but even that's a stretch. . .but sexist and racist? Uhm. . .huh?
Another comment that stood out to me was someone talking about how the baby didn't look like it could be Teyla and Kanaan's. Like, huh? Actually, I think they did an excellent job picking out a baby that has both of their features, if you want to nitpick (Kanaan's nose, a mix of both their complexions, and brown air like Teyla). *shrug* Apparently some opinionated viewers are on drugs this season.
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'Immoral' might be related to the fact that Teyla has a child by a man other than John - a man who's still alive. It means she wants to have sex with more than the one man in her life. That's immoral, isn't it??
Or, maybe she's just after John's child support payments since Kanaan proved to be such a no-hoper!
Yes, that must be it!
I'm not treating this stupidity with quite the gravity I probably should, am I?
The racist part worries me. The only interpretaion I can put on this is that "mixed-race relationships are inherently racist" - an argument that was brought up in a racewank back a couple of months ago by someone who was arguing about Joss Whedon's racism and sexism issues.
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It's been noted before that in television in general, there are very few examples of people of color being involved with each other, and a sense that in one way or another, it's always got to be about the white guy.
That said, this person's objections sounded to me like a way to obscure the fact that her real issue is that she ships John with someone else.
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I'm not saying that I buy that argument--it would be pretty silly of me to say that--but I have heard it applied to SGA in particular. I've also had someone outside of SGA fandom who watches the show mention the "native princess" trope with the John and Teyla dynamic, and I think there's definitely some stuff going on there that can be legitimately viewed as more of the writers' skeevy race and gender issues.
I don't want to see John and Teyla in the show. I don't want to see John and Rodney, or Rodney and Keller, or anyone else, because no matter who the pairing is, the SGA writing team will fuck it up. These are the guys who think that date rape drugs and sexual harrassment are funny, and who don't understand why Torri would be pissed at the way she was treated. They can't even be consistent with their own canon. No--if I want John/Teyla, I'll read your fic, because I know it'll be done well and respectfully to both characters.
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BINGO!
Thus, have you neatly and featly encapsulated my chiefest issues with any canonical John/Teyla.
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(On the other hand, your icon reminds me of how much I'm looking forward to reading your Big Bang fic.)
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The one where John's in love with someone else and TPTB are trying to twist his true nature around to caring about Teyla, when it's obvious he doesn't. TheirchemistryissoforcedFTW!
Apparently some opinionated viewers are on drugs this season.
There are always some viewers on drugs, every season, in every fandom. They're just not usually this prominent. *grimace*
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Okay, this is why I don't stick around in Atlantis fandom much anymore. I CAN'T TAKE THE CRAZY PEOPLE. I stick in non-angry corners of fandom where we all gather for the revolutionary notion of having FUN and ENJOYMENT with the show.
Good lord. Just because she doesn't like the pairing doesn't mean that it goes against the fabric of all creation. The Anonymous Commenter needs some perspective...
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They provide a little colour from time to time. :D
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...they're not John/Teyla shippers? :D *runs away from most of her f-list*
The best answer I have is the one that
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I really hate it when a fan tries to convince people on the show that their idea is the way things are supposed to be.
I think all of you have hit upon the truth. All different facets of the same person.
No wonder people in the entertainment industry and at the Scifi Channel don't respect fans. The ones that stand out are always the lunatic fringe.
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