friends tell other friends when they're being sexist, racist, and immoral!!

[tielan]

An outspoken fan has revealed the shocking truth about John/Teyla over at JoeM's blog:

"It is well past time for SGA to stop trying to push Sheppard/Teyla. It's immoral, it's sexist, it's racist, it subverts everything that's been established about these characters"

Did you know this? Why didn't anyone tell me I was being immoral?

HOW CAN I POSSIBLY CONTINUE TO SHIP JOHN/TEYLA WHEN CLEARLY IT GOES AGAINST ALL THAT IS GOOD, DECENT, AND HOLY IN THE UNIVERSE???!?!?!

It may be time for a new LJ name...

ETA: I bet it's the same poster that posted this comment that I noted back in April! It sounds like her.

Comments

[havocthecat]

Dear Anonymous Commenter:

Dear God. Did you really have to be such a nitwit? Really?

*facepalming like you wouldn't believe*

[tielan]

I have to admit, the subtext I'm reading from this is: "But I want John to end up with someone who isn't Teyla! My spurious arguments against John/Teyla! Let me show you them!"

Still, after four years shipping John/Teyla with reasonable prominence in SGA fandom, I've seen the "this is everything that's wrong about the universe" line of thought towards the pairing before - palmed off with a little more subtlety, admittedly.

[unanon.livejournal.com]

Oh, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

And on that note I'm going to bed, leaving the crazy of the interwebs behind for another day.

Geez.

[tielan]

*pets* Sorry, hon. I only wish I was kidding you.

There's no crazy like show crazy! Or maybe it's the earth logic (or lack thereof).

[rodlox.livejournal.com]

it was probably sent by one of those shmucks who thinks "oh John can do better than her" (and who is herself all of what she accuses John/Teyla of being)

seriously, I don't see how it could be racist. (see my upcoming The Mummy 4 review)

[tielan]

Actually, it was probably sent by someone who's disappointed that their favourite character never made it with John, and is now taking all that bitterness out on Teyla.

seriously, I don't see how it could be racist.

Well, I'm not so assured that this person is thinking in Earth Logic.

[renisanz.livejournal.com]

I just read that. I'm like, "What show are they watching?!"

The immorality is the only thing I can see that remotely applies, but even that's a stretch. . .but sexist and racist? Uhm. . .huh?


Another comment that stood out to me was someone talking about how the baby didn't look like it could be Teyla and Kanaan's. Like, huh? Actually, I think they did an excellent job picking out a baby that has both of their features, if you want to nitpick (Kanaan's nose, a mix of both their complexions, and brown air like Teyla). *shrug* Apparently some opinionated viewers are on drugs this season.

[beatrice_otter]

Well, I can see how someone could think it was sexist if you were squinting and overly sensitized to the skeevy side of office romances, i.e. where the boss preys on the female employees and/or the female employees either pine hopelessly over their male bosses who ignore them or use sex to manipulate said male bosses. If you're overly sensitized to that, then any sort of attraction between a man and a woman who work together is sexist one way or another. (The fact that in this case a) there's no predation or manipulation and b) there's no pining, despite the attraction seems to have escaped the idjit.) No clue how they got the "racist" and "immoral," though.

[rushingwind.livejournal.com]

WTF?

Okay, this is why I don't stick around in Atlantis fandom much anymore. I CAN'T TAKE THE CRAZY PEOPLE. I stick in non-angry corners of fandom where we all gather for the revolutionary notion of having FUN and ENJOYMENT with the show.

Good lord. Just because she doesn't like the pairing doesn't mean that it goes against the fabric of all creation. The Anonymous Commenter needs some perspective...

[tielan]

I CAN'T TAKE THE CRAZY PEOPLE.

They provide a little colour from time to time. :D

[timespirt.livejournal.com]

Person is a jerk. How is it sexist? It's TV, what the hell is wrong with people?

[tielan]

what the hell is wrong with people?

...they're not John/Teyla shippers? :D *runs away from most of her f-list*

The best answer I have is the one that beatrice_otter gave in this comment up here: they're overly sensitive to 'sexist' nuance.

[ninja007.livejournal.com]

That is the most absurd posting I believe I've ever read. This poster is very delusional and is a prime example of the type of fan that gets actors responding like Joe Flanigan did on Chelsea Lately, as crazy fans. "Our fans are passionate", Chelsea said, "Crazy". I have always been able to understand where people get the idea that fans are crazy.

I really hate it when a fan tries to convince people on the show that their idea is the way things are supposed to be.

I think all of you have hit upon the truth. All different facets of the same person.

No wonder people in the entertainment industry and at the Scifi Channel don't respect fans. The ones that stand out are always the lunatic fringe.

[tielan]

Dude. I know I'm crazy. I just like to think it's the slightly saner kind of crazy...

[beanie-j.livejournal.com]

Another perfect specimen of a fandom fuckwit being offended for the sake of being offended - and being totally off base.

It kind of strikes me that such commentary comes from a white McShepper who is, quite frankly, trying way too hard. You can pretty much bet, that if the person was pushed for reasoning, it'd be racist in its own right.

[tielan]

Whoever it is, they got hit with the stupid stick of non-Earth logic a few too many times.

But, yeah, I suspect that in the racism quarters, this is much the same mentality as the person who believed that Zoe/Wash of Firefly was inherently racist/abusive.

[chyti.livejournal.com]

this screams of someone whose heart has been broken by the mere thought of john/teyla becoming canon and yes i agree crazy fan comes to mind.

i actually thinks the baby looks a little like rachel's son, my boyfriend keeps asking is that her real kid.

[tielan]

Okay, I understand people being upset that their favourite fanon relationship has never materialised, especially if another one is in the ascendancy.

On the other hand, there's being led up the garden path, and there's being told repeatedly in multiple interviews with the actors and PTB that if there is any pairing in the show, it's this one.

[missyvortexdv.livejournal.com]

How the hell do they think it's immoral, sexist, racist or subverting the characters - let alone all four of those?!

[tielan]

1. Immoral: Teyla has a child out of wedlock by one man, but is blatantly trying to ensnare another with this John/Teyla dynamic that's being pushed upon us. (It's never about John's attraction to Teyla; it's about Teyla being a coy minx and luring John into her clutches.)

2. Sexist: either heterosexual relationships are inherently sexist because of the Earth disposition to patriarchal societies, or Teyla is a woman on John's team and any relationship that might spring up between them would be inherently tainted by his commander privileges.

3. Racist: white/non-white relationships are inherently racist due to the power imbalance between whites and non-white races that inevitably manifests itself in personal relationships, irrespective of personality or previous experience.

4. Subverting the characters: John is gay. He has all the classic hallmarks of it. He was married to a woman but that marriage failed. He's career military. He openly admires women. He has many male buddies. He has only ever been seen kissing women.

5. TEYLA IS NOT ME THE CHARACTER I WANT TO SEE JOHN WITH! THERFORE THIS IS RACIST, SEXIST, IMMORAL, AND SUBVERTING THE VERY NATURE OF THE CHARACTERS.

[therisingmoon.livejournal.com]

oh for fuck's sake. and fans wonder why people look at them funny.

[tielan]

Ah, but the crazy doesn't always show on the outside...

[ticklie.livejournal.com]

There is not enough WTF in the world. Why can't some people accept they're shipping a non-canon ship and get on with their lives? I thought this was why we had fanfiction in the first place.

*is a happy Sam/Daniel shipper*

[tielan]

It does surprise me sometimes when people get a little too entitled about their pairing. "We DESERVE this ending!"

I have friends who still grumble about the end of 'original team' SG1.

[thady.livejournal.com]

o.O This is so sturpid that words fail me... *sigh*

[tielan]

The comment (and the attitude behind it) are certainly made of FAIL. It betokens a worrying mentality, too.

Now I'm going to wonder how many fans out in fandom agree with her - even sekritly. "John/Teyla is subverting the characters' very natures!"

[azure-horizon.livejournal.com]

I think you may be right.

Reading it at JM's blog got me giggling before I went to work. It's just... Get over yourself already. I hope JM put her in her place.

[tielan]

Well, he asked why it was racist or sexist.

Interestingly enough, he didn't question it being immoral... Make of that what you will...

[pandora-576.livejournal.com]

Well, obviously I am NOT watching the same show nor am I getting all my memos.

I can't see Teyla feeling threatened by John, she could so kick his ass.

It's immoral, it's sexist, it's racist
I don't see how it's any of those.

Immoral, as far as we know she is not married to Kanaan and no one knows after everything that went on in S4 if Kanaan and Teyla are still together or if they will be together in the future. And if they aren't together in the future, what is the issue with John and Teyla getting together other than it not fitting with the poster's world view.

Sexist, the only time I ever saw Teyla unnerved by John was when he was Bug!John and then, iirc, he backed off when he regained some control. Now you could say that John is intimidated by Teyla ;).

Racist, uhm, :: scratches head :: that doesn't even deserve a response it's sooooooo ridiculous.

[tielan]

Ah well, fandom, hon. You know the deal, seen the crazy, bought the t-shirt...

I think it's mostly someone who has issues with the pairing throwing a hissyfit.

[raksha38.livejournal.com]

Fandom itches and smells like Fritos. I hope JM pointed and laughed at that person.

[tielan]

He asked what was so racist and sexist about it. Interestingly, though, he didn't question the immorality of it. Make of that what you will! :D

[mswndrfl.livejournal.com]

I read this. My reaction: "They're kidding right? Wait. They're not? Oh for God sakes...*facepalm*"

People frighten me sometimes.

[beanpot.livejournal.com]

Um hi! **waves**

I wandered over to read your fic and saw this. Had to join with the wtf-ery. I am a bit gobsmacked about the whole thing, and yet not really all that surprised.

Sigh...

[havocthecat]

Dear Anonymous Commenter:

Dear God. Did you really have to be such a nitwit? Really?

*facepalming like you wouldn't believe*

[tielan]

I have to admit, the subtext I'm reading from this is: "But I want John to end up with someone who isn't Teyla! My spurious arguments against John/Teyla! Let me show you them!"

Still, after four years shipping John/Teyla with reasonable prominence in SGA fandom, I've seen the "this is everything that's wrong about the universe" line of thought towards the pairing before - palmed off with a little more subtlety, admittedly.

[unanon.livejournal.com]

Oh, you've got to be fucking kidding me.

And on that note I'm going to bed, leaving the crazy of the interwebs behind for another day.

Geez.

[tielan]

*pets* Sorry, hon. I only wish I was kidding you.

There's no crazy like show crazy! Or maybe it's the earth logic (or lack thereof).

[rodlox.livejournal.com]

it was probably sent by one of those shmucks who thinks "oh John can do better than her" (and who is herself all of what she accuses John/Teyla of being)

seriously, I don't see how it could be racist. (see my upcoming The Mummy 4 review)

[tielan]

Actually, it was probably sent by someone who's disappointed that their favourite character never made it with John, and is now taking all that bitterness out on Teyla.

seriously, I don't see how it could be racist.

Well, I'm not so assured that this person is thinking in Earth Logic.

[renisanz.livejournal.com]

I just read that. I'm like, "What show are they watching?!"

The immorality is the only thing I can see that remotely applies, but even that's a stretch. . .but sexist and racist? Uhm. . .huh?


Another comment that stood out to me was someone talking about how the baby didn't look like it could be Teyla and Kanaan's. Like, huh? Actually, I think they did an excellent job picking out a baby that has both of their features, if you want to nitpick (Kanaan's nose, a mix of both their complexions, and brown air like Teyla). *shrug* Apparently some opinionated viewers are on drugs this season.

[beatrice_otter]

Well, I can see how someone could think it was sexist if you were squinting and overly sensitized to the skeevy side of office romances, i.e. where the boss preys on the female employees and/or the female employees either pine hopelessly over their male bosses who ignore them or use sex to manipulate said male bosses. If you're overly sensitized to that, then any sort of attraction between a man and a woman who work together is sexist one way or another. (The fact that in this case a) there's no predation or manipulation and b) there's no pining, despite the attraction seems to have escaped the idjit.) No clue how they got the "racist" and "immoral," though.

[rushingwind.livejournal.com]

WTF?

Okay, this is why I don't stick around in Atlantis fandom much anymore. I CAN'T TAKE THE CRAZY PEOPLE. I stick in non-angry corners of fandom where we all gather for the revolutionary notion of having FUN and ENJOYMENT with the show.

Good lord. Just because she doesn't like the pairing doesn't mean that it goes against the fabric of all creation. The Anonymous Commenter needs some perspective...

[tielan]

I CAN'T TAKE THE CRAZY PEOPLE.

They provide a little colour from time to time. :D

[timespirt.livejournal.com]

Person is a jerk. How is it sexist? It's TV, what the hell is wrong with people?

[tielan]

what the hell is wrong with people?

...they're not John/Teyla shippers? :D *runs away from most of her f-list*

The best answer I have is the one that beatrice_otter gave in this comment up here: they're overly sensitive to 'sexist' nuance.

[ninja007.livejournal.com]

That is the most absurd posting I believe I've ever read. This poster is very delusional and is a prime example of the type of fan that gets actors responding like Joe Flanigan did on Chelsea Lately, as crazy fans. "Our fans are passionate", Chelsea said, "Crazy". I have always been able to understand where people get the idea that fans are crazy.

I really hate it when a fan tries to convince people on the show that their idea is the way things are supposed to be.

I think all of you have hit upon the truth. All different facets of the same person.

No wonder people in the entertainment industry and at the Scifi Channel don't respect fans. The ones that stand out are always the lunatic fringe.

[tielan]

Dude. I know I'm crazy. I just like to think it's the slightly saner kind of crazy...