Infinity War was a mill that just chewed everything up into little pieces of dust and tosses them everywhere. Endgame gathers the bits of dust together, stuffs it all into its cinematic maw, masticates it, and then spews it out and thinks this is pretty neat - hey, look, some chunks are still recognisable, after all, and didn't you like that bit of corn back when it was fresh on the cob?
Hah, VIVID!
Yes yes yes to all this, as you already know, particularly Nat and Steve. -- Did they HAVE TO frame Nat's death the exact same way they did Gamora's. Well yes, because they interpreted it as the "good version." But really, it points up how INTERCHANGEABLE and expendable women are, to these dudes, these four dudes who have had the privilege of writing this story and reaching millions of people, and who have, frankly, fluffed it. Thanos can sacrifice Gamora and Clint can...sacrifice Nat I guess, except they keep saying it was NAT doing it so that also doesn't make sense. It goes right back to the nasty interview the same writers did re Civil War, when people were all -- wait, Steve is kissing Sharon AFTER Peggy's funeral? and they said, quote, Sharon was distantly related to a woman he once kissed. Sharon didn't work out, so at the very beginning of EG we get "lost the love of my life," and just to pound it in, Steve looking at the compass as they go to Thanos's planet....which MAKES NO SENSE, because Peggy wasn't snapped. There's no way to bring her back. Why is he looking at her picture? It's nothing more than a contrived signal: This Is What Steve Lost.
I'm not even going to touch the whole "he's in a branch timeline and could have done all kinds of things BUT he came back BUT he couldn't change anything" bullshit. And STEVE ROGERS is going to sit there through the fifties and be happy? I really don't fucking think so. But it doesn't work, because they didn't make it work. They wanted the soft-focus romance of, aww, they finally get their dance, end of story. All the dudes get what they want: Tony gets his happy ending, AND to save everyone and kill Thanos, Clint gets his family, Bruce gets to integrate, Steve gets Peggy (like a trophy), Thor is like ASGARD LOL LATERZ and trucks off. Nat gets to die. That difference is so stark (hah) I think it should horrify everyone for a hot second, but we're getting "it was a great close to her arc, she got to save Clint when he was an assassin like she was, she wasn't the sidekick, she was the protagonist, she got to save everyone else!" and paralleling her with Tony. And I'm just like, BUT SHE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A FUNERAL. AFTER ONE SHORT SCENE THAT IS ALL DUDES NOBODY FUCKING MENTIONS HER AFTER SHE DIES. That's not heroic, sorry. She's just being erased.
(and then I was all wow I bet tielan feels like this about Maria all the time)
"The movie was three hours long already!" We see Nat's broken body alone and then Clint crying about it, we see Tony have an extremely heroic exit in front of everyone and he KNOWS he has to do it and Strange signals him and it's his choice, and then everyone rushes to him on the battlefield and cries and praises him and Pepper has a heartbreaking line AND THEN, there's a huge funeral. I mean. I know it's just as the fangirls say the Doylist reality of RDJ kickstarting the franchise bleeding through, it's a goodbye to him, BUT ALSO Tony has so inappropriately been the focus of so much of the series and it's just kind of like a little audiovisual exercise in "who lives, who dies, who tells your story." Who matters.
And you know, I am seeing a bunch of Endgame fixits already.....and I dunno if I am just looking wrong, because I never can find what I want on AO3 ever, but very few of them are from Nat's point of view. The majority of the fixits appear to be stuff like, Steve was married to Bucky all along, and I'm just like....that's nice? But let's see, the total is Gamora died and now we have her from 2014 before her character arc, such as it was; Nebula KILLS her former self, no bad symbolism there nope nope; Nat dies for everyone else; and all the other women had very small parts. After Black Panther, where women explicitly got to frame the conflict of the movie in that scene between Nakia and Okoye, and CAPTAIN FREAKING MARVEL, it was like a slap in the face. But really that's business and I do mean business as usual for the giant entertainment complex industry. It's going to make two billion dollars, what's what they care about. (I mean this is a movie that LITERALLY OPENS with a woman as wife and mother serving her family, that's all she's doing, before she goes poof. It's like they outlined it in bright pink crayon.)
Gahhhh. I just need to write some fix-it fics of my own rather than being insufferable in everyone else's comments about this.
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Endgame gathers the bits of dust together, stuffs it all into its cinematic maw, masticates it, and then spews it out and thinks this is pretty neat - hey, look, some chunks are still recognisable, after all, and didn't you like that bit of corn back when it was fresh on the cob?
Hah, VIVID!
Yes yes yes to all this, as you already know, particularly Nat and Steve. -- Did they HAVE TO frame Nat's death the exact same way they did Gamora's. Well yes, because they interpreted it as the "good version." But really, it points up how INTERCHANGEABLE and expendable women are, to these dudes, these four dudes who have had the privilege of writing this story and reaching millions of people, and who have, frankly, fluffed it. Thanos can sacrifice Gamora and Clint can...sacrifice Nat I guess, except they keep saying it was NAT doing it so that also doesn't make sense. It goes right back to the nasty interview the same writers did re Civil War, when people were all -- wait, Steve is kissing Sharon AFTER Peggy's funeral? and they said, quote, Sharon was distantly related to a woman he once kissed. Sharon didn't work out, so at the very beginning of EG we get "lost the love of my life," and just to pound it in, Steve looking at the compass as they go to Thanos's planet....which MAKES NO SENSE, because Peggy wasn't snapped. There's no way to bring her back. Why is he looking at her picture? It's nothing more than a contrived signal: This Is What Steve Lost.
I'm not even going to touch the whole "he's in a branch timeline and could have done all kinds of things BUT he came back BUT he couldn't change anything" bullshit. And STEVE ROGERS is going to sit there through the fifties and be happy? I really don't fucking think so. But it doesn't work, because they didn't make it work. They wanted the soft-focus romance of, aww, they finally get their dance, end of story. All the dudes get what they want: Tony gets his happy ending, AND to save everyone and kill Thanos, Clint gets his family, Bruce gets to integrate, Steve gets Peggy (like a trophy), Thor is like ASGARD LOL LATERZ and trucks off. Nat gets to die. That difference is so stark (hah) I think it should horrify everyone for a hot second, but we're getting "it was a great close to her arc, she got to save Clint when he was an assassin like she was, she wasn't the sidekick, she was the protagonist, she got to save everyone else!" and paralleling her with Tony. And I'm just like, BUT SHE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A FUNERAL. AFTER ONE SHORT SCENE THAT IS ALL DUDES NOBODY FUCKING MENTIONS HER AFTER SHE DIES. That's not heroic, sorry. She's just being erased.
(and then I was all wow I bet tielan feels like this about Maria all the time)
"The movie was three hours long already!" We see Nat's broken body alone and then Clint crying about it, we see Tony have an extremely heroic exit in front of everyone and he KNOWS he has to do it and Strange signals him and it's his choice, and then everyone rushes to him on the battlefield and cries and praises him and Pepper has a heartbreaking line AND THEN, there's a huge funeral. I mean. I know it's just as the fangirls say the Doylist reality of RDJ kickstarting the franchise bleeding through, it's a goodbye to him, BUT ALSO Tony has so inappropriately been the focus of so much of the series and it's just kind of like a little audiovisual exercise in "who lives, who dies, who tells your story." Who matters.
And you know, I am seeing a bunch of Endgame fixits already.....and I dunno if I am just looking wrong, because I never can find what I want on AO3 ever, but very few of them are from Nat's point of view. The majority of the fixits appear to be stuff like, Steve was married to Bucky all along, and I'm just like....that's nice? But let's see, the total is Gamora died and now we have her from 2014 before her character arc, such as it was; Nebula KILLS her former self, no bad symbolism there nope nope; Nat dies for everyone else; and all the other women had very small parts. After Black Panther, where women explicitly got to frame the conflict of the movie in that scene between Nakia and Okoye, and CAPTAIN FREAKING MARVEL, it was like a slap in the face. But really that's business and I do mean business as usual for the giant entertainment complex industry. It's going to make two billion dollars, what's what they care about. (I mean this is a movie that LITERALLY OPENS with a woman as wife and mother serving her family, that's all she's doing, before she goes poof. It's like they outlined it in bright pink crayon.)
Gahhhh. I just need to write some fix-it fics of my own rather than being insufferable in everyone else's comments about this.