I just seem to keep coming across people who aren't content to say "It's not John and Elizabeth, it's aliens in their bodies" but who have the need to insist that it is John and Elizabeth's "true love" showing through.
Not in the S/W groups I follow. But it's similar to those S/T fans who believe the kiss between John and Teyla in "Conversion" was a true expression of love, and not the animal quality of the bug he was turning into showing his "alpha male" dominance of the situation.
You see? Either side sees what they WANT to see. That's how shippers operate. For every action you give me about S/T, I can give you a reason for it, or a motivation behind it. And probably visa versa.
Ironically, many of them are the ones who dismiss Thalen's statement to Teyla that John cares for her more than she knows.
Again, not in the S/W circles I follow. Personally, I dismiss both the S/W kiss as being alien-influenced, and that it was Thalan in John's body claiming he cares for Teyla more than she knows, not John.
Thalan would have said anything to keep her from killing him. Teyla saw it for what it was: desperation. And after it was all over, even John said Teyla still didn't believe the alien influence was gone. Having said that, John does care for Teyla. No one can dispute that. However, it's a shippers POV as to what that level is.
Amusingly, while the majority of S/W people are willing to acknowledge they see where S/T shippers can be coming from in given situations to lead to their S/T feelings/observations, every S/T post I've read, both on LJ and on the GW forums, claim endlessly to never see anything remotely shippy at all between S/W.
One could debate it endlessly but, in the end, it's just one person's POV and, frankly, a fruitless argument that ends up doing nothing but causing hard feelings between the shipping groups, and pleasing the hell out of TPTB, who adore to see these shipper wars go on.
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Not in the S/W groups I follow. But it's similar to those S/T fans who believe the kiss between John and Teyla in "Conversion" was a true expression of love, and not the animal quality of the bug he was turning into showing his "alpha male" dominance of the situation.
You see? Either side sees what they WANT to see. That's how shippers operate. For every action you give me about S/T, I can give you a reason for it, or a motivation behind it. And probably visa versa.
Ironically, many of them are the ones who dismiss Thalen's statement to Teyla that John cares for her more than she knows.
Again, not in the S/W circles I follow. Personally, I dismiss both the S/W kiss as being alien-influenced, and that it was Thalan in John's body claiming he cares for Teyla more than she knows, not John.
Thalan would have said anything to keep her from killing him. Teyla saw it for what it was: desperation. And after it was all over, even John said Teyla still didn't believe the alien influence was gone. Having said that, John does care for Teyla. No one can dispute that. However, it's a shippers POV as to what that level is.
Amusingly, while the majority of S/W people are willing to acknowledge they see where S/T shippers can be coming from in given situations to lead to their S/T feelings/observations, every S/T post I've read, both on LJ and on the GW forums, claim endlessly to never see anything remotely shippy at all between S/W.
One could debate it endlessly but, in the end, it's just one person's POV and, frankly, a fruitless argument that ends up doing nothing but causing hard feelings between the shipping groups, and pleasing the hell out of TPTB, who adore to see these shipper wars go on.