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Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 09:04 pm
I'm excited by Justice League, but not by Thor: Ragnarok. The word 'bloated' came up in a description of the MCU franchise in a review last year (or possibly this year, when comparing Wonder Woman with the current crop of superhero movies) and 'bloated' perfectly describes the trailer of Thor: Ragnarok.

Spiderman: Homecoming has good enough reviews that I might actually watch it (sometime), and I will be there to watch Black Panther with BELLS ON. But I might pass Thor: Ragnarok in much the same way that I passed on Thor: When Dark Elves Attack The Dark World. I eventually watched it and enjoyed it, but it wasn't All That. (Then again, I feel like the Thor franchise is one of the weakest ones in the MCU storyline.)

I haven't even looked at the trailer for Stargate: Origins, although if it's Catherine Langford's story, I will almost certainly give a looksee.
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 02:18 pm (UTC)
Word. To everything here.
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 10:47 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I never thought I would be preferring DCEU over MCU, but if they do an okay JLA AND have already greenlit a WW sequel, and an Aquaman movie?....MCU put off Captain Marvel way too long and I don't like the casting, they really fucked over Steve as far as I'm concerned and the only thing I'm looking forward to is Black Panther. And they already have to fucking Spiderman sequels lined up and he and Tony are going to be all over Infinity War apparently. NOT. INTERESTED.

Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 11:09 pm (UTC)
They need to develop a female hero who hasn't yet been developed in the MCU (and given that it looks like Captain Marvel is going to be "time-frozen" from the 90s, they need a woman who was born this side of the 80s).

HA HA HA HA //cries

Hope Van Dyne as Wasp might do it, but I heard that she's confined to the Ant-Man line of movies because someone doesn't want to share rights?

Oh JFC, probably. On the other hand, supposedly Michelle Pfeiffer is going to be Jan, and she is RIGHT in that timeline (fifty-nine!) and if it's a movie about Hope rescuing Jan, I will be there with fucking bells on. Especially if Jan then joins the Avengers (probably not, but....fanfic?). I do like Hope. Paul Rudd's Ant-Man turned me right off, though.

Wanda could do it, if they could stop painting her in the victim/perpetratro dichotomy.

Oh my God, I can't even deal with MCU Wanda. She was cast wrong and written wrong and just....is so wrong. Comics Wanda basically got ruined (altho I liked her new recent series, even if it was by a dude) and MCU Wanda is pretty much an overpowered battle prop/pretty little innocent girl. Nothankyou.

And yeah, they cut off a lot of avenues by making all the 'new' superheroes guys, with nary a female-coded one in sight.

That's a really good point, especially since there have been new female superheroes in the comics for years now. And a lot of them are even associated WITH Spiderman (or Spiderman even is Miles! I like Miles). It's that old Four Guys and One Chick cliche (which the new Thor movie neatly falls into, judging from the trailer: Thor, Loki, Bruce/Hulk, and Valkyrie). It's 2017! Can't there be more than one woman? What are they afraid of, that we'll asexually reproduce or something?
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 06:36 pm (UTC)
//clutches I feel the SAME WAY about Thor:R, which makes me feel like the only person in the world who doesn't like it because everyone else I know is full of squee. Well except T. It looked so crap! It looked like GotG 2, which I didn't like either! WHY IS THE HUMOUR SO BAD. Why is Hulk on Battleworld planet at all? I don't even like the Hulk a lot (Ruffalo is OK). WHY DID THEY CUT HIS HAIR. SUCH A BAD DECISION.

....okay Cate Blanchette as Queen of Hell looks pretty awesome. But she'll probably just get defeated in the end. And the Valkyries look neat. But no Jane, Sif, or Warriors Three? Boo. Also, I think I am the one person in the world who detests MCU Loki. MCU Thor is OK, and I like the take in comics where he gets turned into a frog, but Loki is close to my heart and I don't like the way they write him or how Hiddles plays him. I actually like the first two Thor movies -- they're gorgeous, I wish I'd seen them in the theatre -- the first one is predictable but moving, and the second one is fun even if Jane gets turned into a sexy darkmatter lamp and why the HELL did they bury Eccleston in all that makeup. I certainly enjoyed them more than AoU or Civil War. But this just looks....goofy.

We saw the Valerian trailer after that and pretty much the same consensus: movie looks very pretty, also like the dialogue and acting's gonna suck, you should see it on the big screen if you're going to see it, but turn your brain off. I kinda hate watching movies like that because it buys into the idea they're just mindless spectacle. I might see Valerian because apparently Luc Besson bet his fucking entire indie production company on it, the dumb sweet auteur. Consensus was "At least that looks better than the Thor movie." Oh dear.

The scuttlebutt I heard is that they did JL reshoots to include more Diana after WW took off which is FINE BY ME. Also, Batman's superpower being his wealth is very amusing. Also also, wet Jason Momoa.


....altho I heard the Captain Marvel movie is going to be set in the 90s and she'll be fighting Skrulls. Wha? Why? Where's my tough as boots alcoholic Colonel who's overcome the demons in her life and has cosmic adventures and is Jessica's Best Bitch Forever and inspired me even when I was a kid and her costume was a glorified Sports Illustrated swimsuit?

Fortunately I think they're leaving that rape-and-baby storyline the fuck alone. They better leave it alone for Sharon too. Man, there were a lot of rape-and-lost-baby storylines in Marvel.
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 10:44 pm (UTC)
The Thor:R trailer felt...adolescent to me.

Oh, that's a very good description, yeah. The humour especially. It just felt....dumb. I mean there are people who call these movies big dumb summer funfests, but I don't enjoy that kind of movie and I think the MCU's risen above the genre quite a few times.

Then again, Thor has an element of 'adolescent boy' to him - very much in the first Thor movie, although much less in Thor:TDW. This may actually be why I liked Thor:TDW a lot more than the original Thor movie.

I wanted older battle-weary yet resilient Thor! Facing the ultimate betrayal with Loki having KILLED both mum and dad, or is the movie just expecting us to forget that part? WTF? And I know she's not a fan favourite but I just don't like Thor without Jane. I loved their dynamic in the first movie, I loved how she was a nerd with dirty dishes in her cupboards, all that. I'm not interested in Thor and Hulk trading bro jokes. If Thor does that it should be with his three buddies.

Actually, I've just realised what's bugging me about the Battleworld thing. IT'S BASICALLY CIVIL WAR: THE MISSING ONES.

Did you see those "what they were doing while CW was going on" joke trailers? It looks a LOT like that, except with more special effects! This movie also looks a lot like GotG2, and I don't know if it looks like Dr Strange, but I'm not loving the New Cosmic MCU CGI. The first Guardians was gorgeous, but I hated the second one.

it looks like it's going to be damned impressive scenery (Cate Blanchett does Large Ham with beautiful presence; I think she actually likes playing the dramatically evil bitch


Honestly, I'd have looked forward to Hel And Loki Take Over Asgard And Their Hordes Of Darkness Are Fought By A Small But Spunky Group Including Thor, Sif, Heimdall, The Warriors Three, Two Astrophysicists, One Former Deputy Director Of SHIELD, And Darcy Lewis (Since We Can't Seem To Be Rid Of Her And The American Twentysomething Women Like Having Their Self-Insert).


//really cries

Waitwhat? Captain Marvel in the 90s?



Wuhbuhguh WHY?


I never ever forgot that story the writers of the Cap movies told when they were working on the third CAP MOVIE and he walked in, said "Civil War," and walked out. What he wants in MCU, he gets.

I mean, the plus side is that by this time - the 00s, she'll be a fiftysomething woman with a will of steel

Iiiiii don't think so, she's still gonna be Brie Larson so she will be wispy and cute in the future movies.



she doesn't turn up for any of it? Because...she's married and having babies and fiftysomething women with superpowers don't go out and fight they stay home and keep house? IDEK but it makes NO SENSE.

I think they're going to have her out in space. Possibly not aging. I'm not sure that's confirmed, but it would make sense casting such a YOUNG actress so far back in the timeline.

Valerian is the new Luc Besson, right? I read an article that talked about The Fifth Element and how it was a great piece of sci-fi over the weekend, and never really thought about it that way before...

Yeah, and I adore Fifth Element (except for the soupy "I don't know how to love" bit at the end, altho T likes it, heh) and I liked Lucy even so I want him to be able to go on directing movies! And not tank his own production company! But....those actors....look so bad. The script sounds so bad. And the through line is going to be yet another battle, Even More Shit Blows Up Pretty In Space, and I'm just so tired of the CGI-driven stories. I like stories with people in.


SPEAKING OF STORIES WITH PEOPLE IN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING THING ABOUT THAT LOOKS AMAZING especially being able to stare at Chadwick Boseman for two hours
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 11:20 pm (UTC)
UGH. DIAF Feige!



Stories with people in - honestly, we went through this in the 00s with the SW prequels: they got all hung up on LOOK! LOOK AT THE CGI! And forgot that the things that made the original SW movies great was that it was a story about people fighting for a cause they believed in and struggling with who they were and who they wanted to be. That's the core of human stories.

Oh Jesus, did they ever. And then Lucas went back and smeared CGI all over the original trilogy too, altho at least he couldn't cut all the characterization out of it. Same thing with James Cameron and Avatar. Titanic was kinda soppy and predictable, but it also had all those human dramas playing out and that's a big part of why it keeps being retold, IMHO, viewers are fascinated by the people in those dire cirumstances.

Hell, Yoda said it best: War Not Make One Great. That applies to movies as well as people...

Scifi just does SO MUCH MORE than just war, but it seems like the mainstream scifi cinema is either all about wars or mano a mano manly fights. (And then Civil War was both. LOL.) That was another part of what I really liked about GotG -- there was Thanos, yeah, but the focus was on saving Nova Prime and the people there and on the connections the crew managed to forge with each other. And the fights had real emotional punch to them. So to speak.

(I have to say I am less than apathetic about Thanos being the centerpiece of these last two big movies in the sequence. He strikes me as a terrible fanboy creation -- an ALL-POWERFUL PURPLE GUY, whose love is DEATH!!! -- and I cannot stand the way he looks. He reminds me of claymation made out of used Hubba Bubble grape chewing gum.)

I am also a sucker for extremely different people all flung together as a crew and they have to make it work and in the end they'd wind up dying for each other but they still fight all the time. I think a big reason why I loved GotG was it reminded me of my beloved Farscape. Before it went off the rails with the pregnancy crap, sigh.

That reminds me, I was meaning to type up my impressions of the latest Dark Matter, which is a bit like Farscape. But more diverse, typically, which is nice.
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 10:44 pm (UTC)
also long comment from planet hell, WTF Moi!
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 11:02 pm (UTC)
Aww! ....well you have a friend in me then, ahahaha. Other than online I basically talk about this stuff with....T, and he sees the superhero movies because I do. (His recent choice for solo viewing was the new 3-D Planet of the Apes flick, which I didn't want to see on a couple of levels.) He likes them -- we both love the same ones -- but I don't think they're something he might watch on his own.
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 11:17 pm (UTC)
Oh, yeah, I love fandom meta. It's just so fun, but really analytical as well. That's one of the big things I miss about LJ, it was so much more natural to have meta discussions and they were A LOT easier to find (people tell me it happens on Tumblr, I never find it unless I'm directly linked to it by someone else).
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 08:06 pm (UTC)
Interesting. I would've thought you'd like the Thor movies -- they're the only ones that easily pass the Bechdel Test, because women in the Thor movies have a life outside of their role or romance status.

Plus, though, that may only matter to me, they're the only comedy-centric films in the Avengers-verse (I know technically Guardians of the Galaxy is connected to it, but for all intents and purposes they don't count).

Of course, their diversity isn't the best, though this one at least has Tessa Thompson, and the plot, like you say, isn't exactly the rocket science Jane practices...
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 11:09 pm (UTC)
Heh, I think most classic movie from the seventies or even eighties don't pass the Bechdel -- All the President's Men (one of my faves) certainly doesn't, altho I don't know how women were doing in the WaPo newsroom....but it was the mid-seventies, right? But they didn't even have Katharine Graham at all and it's my understanding she was the one who gave the ultimate okay, not Bradlee, and she could have shut the whole investigation down! She was like the ONLY female newspaper publisher for quite a while! No it didn't have to be her life story, but couldn't she be in a scene or two? ....But anyway. -- I think the Bechdel is a good societal indicator -- of what attitudes are prevalent in society, what's taken for granted, what's always left out, and so on. But like you say, not whether a movie is good.

I would have preferred to meet Thor in the middle of his time as "Dr. Donald Blake", fighting wars against medical science that he knows can be beaten (in Asgard) but which he can't win (on Earth) while flashing back to what he did to get cast out of Asgard. And then he meets an astrophysicist and her enthusiasm for the universe, and starts sparking that enthusiasm because it brings back a bit of the joy he had as a princely godling, before his sins come back to haunt him in Loki - brother and goad and ally and enemy.


That sounds a lot more like the comics, too, from what I know of them -- he does spend time as a doctor altho he meets Jane as a nurse (LOL), and I love those kinds of stories where someone's undercover in a "normal" life but happy there too and then their old life comes up and wham. -- Selvig also really needs some Loki closure, I am just saying.

the kind of comedy that I appreciate in the GotG movies is the situational/commentary comedy: Peter Quill: "Oh, like that would ever happen!" [next scene, that thing is so totally happening] Rocket: "STOP SAYING IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!" And there's always time for that in movies. One line here and there does beautifully when correctly set up.

The comedy in GotG was awesome for me because it was so rooted in the characters -- Yondu bragging about not letting his crew eat Peter, how Groot helpfully goes and gets the battery out of the guard tower, Peter trying to be slick when he first meets Gamora and how she totally kicks his ass, Rocket being a jerk (if you listen you can hear him crack up on "And I need that guy's leg"), and more and better examples I can't think of right now. (Must take pills.) The lulzy dialogue in the Thor trailer could have been between any two guys, really. -- And I think that and the delayed-effect kind of punchline you're talking about both depend on really good writing, and....and. sigh.
Sunday, July 23rd, 2017 10:50 pm (UTC)
One reason I find fanon Darcy so disappointing is I love the big sis-little sis tug-of-war dynamic she and Jane have in the movies. And how she clearly thinks of herself as Jane's connection to the real world, otherwise Jane might decide to dive down a black hole to see what's on the other side. (One reason I'm really sad MCU Jane and Betty were both eased out was they were such risk-takers -- Jane literally seeking out other worlds, and Betty putting herself in between the Hulk and whoever was trying to kill him.)

Tessa Thompson leading the valkyrie charge did look really neat. But also like the opening of WW, only I doubt it'll last that long or be that important to the movie, sadly.
Monday, July 24th, 2017 04:10 pm (UTC)
Stargate: Origins? I had not heard of this!

I'm on the fence about the new crop of MCUness. Mostly because they screwed up some of my favorite franchises and I've never been that into Thor. I'll wait until I see.

I can't see the Netflix shows at this point (not in budget), so more new shows that don't go on Hulu just means I'm falling more and more behind on all the canon.
Tuesday, July 25th, 2017 02:00 am (UTC)
Ah. Insider know-how. :D