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It's recently come to my notice that the manner in which 'native races' are portrayed on Stargate is, if not racist, then certainly strongly jingoistic.
This is going to focus on the broader perception of races and how they get portrayed in the show - mostly Atlantis, although SG-1 will be in there, too.
Basically, it seems that the native races of Pegasus are either technologically inept (primitive) or 'the bad guys'.
We have societies like the Athosians, who are still in the 'hunter-gatherer' stage of civilisation, who are on the side of the Atlantis expedition but primitive; and at the other end of the scale, we have societies like the Gennii, who are close to the 'information revolution' stage of civilisation, but are at best wary allies, and at worst, frank enemies.
Then there are the Satedans, who must have had a pretty technologically advanced civilisation before the Wraith took them out - Ronon's weaponry speaks to that - but who don't even get a mention on the 'we could pick over their bones and see if they developed something we haven't' scale. Hell, I don't think anyone's mentioned even asking Ronon if they can take apart his weapons to see how they tick.
Granted, Ronon's likely to look at them and say flatly, 'No,' but the man came from a world that nearly fought back against the Wraith! Just because he doesn't speak much doesn't mean he's a savage. He's probably no more of a savage than any man who comes home from his work, sits down in his lounge chair and can't be prevailed on for more than a grunt or a dozen before dinner, let alone bed.
The episode that's supposed to deal with Ronon's background will be interesting: if only because it took them about 30 episodes to even revisit Teyla's background with the Athosians, and they were relegated to a side plot, a funeral, and some very lovely singing by Rachel Luttrell that had almost no relevance to the plot.
The race issue is another thing that's slowly been coming upon me.
SG1 - Teal'c is the 'native guide' - black, primitive people.
SGA - Teyla is the 'native guide' - mixed race, primitive people.
SGA - Aiden is the 'yes, man' - black
SGA - Ronon is the 'grunt and muscle' - with a polynesian background (? I think - but even if not, the point with Teal'c, Teyla and Aiden still stands)
You know, I'm waiting for the episode where they come across an Asiatic civilisation that's either run like the Japanese samurai or full of Asian crime gangs.
It's a bit worrying, not that there are characters who are relegated to the background and they're non-white(other characters are background, too: Janet, Carson, Zelenka, etc), but that the non-white characters seem to be inevitably relegated to the background in the Stargate universe.
To some degree, I'm sure it's symptomatic of TV shows: white people want to watch white people. Still, I find it disturbing that the nominated 'leaders' of the primitive peoples - and therefore their representatives - are almost always non-white. (Plus, the leaders of the 'white people with civilisation' are evil if their cultures aren't.)
Finally, I'm curious about the fact that the 'jumper driver seat is on the left. Not all civilisations drive on the right-hand side of the road. It's like the assumption that people in the Northern Hemisphere have that birds fly south for the winter, and that things get warmer the further south you go.
Atlantis does not necessarily have to be in the northern hemisphere of its planet. I mean, it very well may be - I haven't studied the shots of the planet all that well. But, coming from the other half of the planet (where Christmas is in summer and we build our houses facing north for the best sun) I think it would be cool to have all the people from up north completely turned around by the fact that the sun's path lies northwards and not south, while the people from the southern hemisphere are all "what are you guys going on about?" While secretly snickering behind their hands.
The idea of a culture that influenced Earth (instead of American-Earth influencing it) is intriguing: but it would have been nice to see some of the standards turned upside down - perceptions changed and rearranged - to make people think.
And if you can sandwich some perception adjustment in between entertainment, I don't think that's entirely a bad thing.
This is going to focus on the broader perception of races and how they get portrayed in the show - mostly Atlantis, although SG-1 will be in there, too.
Basically, it seems that the native races of Pegasus are either technologically inept (primitive) or 'the bad guys'.
We have societies like the Athosians, who are still in the 'hunter-gatherer' stage of civilisation, who are on the side of the Atlantis expedition but primitive; and at the other end of the scale, we have societies like the Gennii, who are close to the 'information revolution' stage of civilisation, but are at best wary allies, and at worst, frank enemies.
Then there are the Satedans, who must have had a pretty technologically advanced civilisation before the Wraith took them out - Ronon's weaponry speaks to that - but who don't even get a mention on the 'we could pick over their bones and see if they developed something we haven't' scale. Hell, I don't think anyone's mentioned even asking Ronon if they can take apart his weapons to see how they tick.
Granted, Ronon's likely to look at them and say flatly, 'No,' but the man came from a world that nearly fought back against the Wraith! Just because he doesn't speak much doesn't mean he's a savage. He's probably no more of a savage than any man who comes home from his work, sits down in his lounge chair and can't be prevailed on for more than a grunt or a dozen before dinner, let alone bed.
The episode that's supposed to deal with Ronon's background will be interesting: if only because it took them about 30 episodes to even revisit Teyla's background with the Athosians, and they were relegated to a side plot, a funeral, and some very lovely singing by Rachel Luttrell that had almost no relevance to the plot.
The race issue is another thing that's slowly been coming upon me.
SG1 - Teal'c is the 'native guide' - black, primitive people.
SGA - Teyla is the 'native guide' - mixed race, primitive people.
SGA - Aiden is the 'yes, man' - black
SGA - Ronon is the 'grunt and muscle' - with a polynesian background (? I think - but even if not, the point with Teal'c, Teyla and Aiden still stands)
You know, I'm waiting for the episode where they come across an Asiatic civilisation that's either run like the Japanese samurai or full of Asian crime gangs.
It's a bit worrying, not that there are characters who are relegated to the background and they're non-white(other characters are background, too: Janet, Carson, Zelenka, etc), but that the non-white characters seem to be inevitably relegated to the background in the Stargate universe.
To some degree, I'm sure it's symptomatic of TV shows: white people want to watch white people. Still, I find it disturbing that the nominated 'leaders' of the primitive peoples - and therefore their representatives - are almost always non-white. (Plus, the leaders of the 'white people with civilisation' are evil if their cultures aren't.)
Finally, I'm curious about the fact that the 'jumper driver seat is on the left. Not all civilisations drive on the right-hand side of the road. It's like the assumption that people in the Northern Hemisphere have that birds fly south for the winter, and that things get warmer the further south you go.
Atlantis does not necessarily have to be in the northern hemisphere of its planet. I mean, it very well may be - I haven't studied the shots of the planet all that well. But, coming from the other half of the planet (where Christmas is in summer and we build our houses facing north for the best sun) I think it would be cool to have all the people from up north completely turned around by the fact that the sun's path lies northwards and not south, while the people from the southern hemisphere are all "what are you guys going on about?" While secretly snickering behind their hands.
The idea of a culture that influenced Earth (instead of American-Earth influencing it) is intriguing: but it would have been nice to see some of the standards turned upside down - perceptions changed and rearranged - to make people think.
And if you can sandwich some perception adjustment in between entertainment, I don't think that's entirely a bad thing.
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I think an awful lot of media creates self fulfilling prophecies about their audiences. If you assume 'black people don't read something', then it's less available, which means less people read it which means there's less demand, which 'proves' their initial premise.
A similar thing could be said about gender and sci fi as a whole. There's a huge assumption that the majority of sci fi audiences are men - to the extent that marketing etc is directed at them. However, a real look at the market would suggest it's women who form the bulk of the audience, that doesn't neccessarily get back to TPTB
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I didn't mean so much that they aren't there, but that they often get prevented from getting the experience/contacts because of bias elsewhere in the system - and this stops them getting to the point where they're considered for many roles. It's still a problem, just a different type of problem.
You've definitely got a point there.
I think an awful lot of media creates self fulfilling prophecies about their audiences. If you assume 'black people don't read something', then it's less available, which means less people read it which means there's less demand, which 'proves' their initial premise.
Yeah, which is one of the reasons why people will eschew the traditional routes to getting their stuff out there and go a different route. Which of course means when the mainstream discovers it, it's all "oooh, look at this cool new thing" while the rest of us are standing there going, "And you're just noticing there was an audience for this now?"
A similar thing could be said about gender and sci fi as a whole. There's a huge assumption that the majority of sci fi audiences are men - to the extent that marketing etc is directed at them. However, a real look at the market would suggest it's women who form the bulk of the audience, that doesn't neccessarily get back to TPTB
Mmm, yep. Apparently at one of the first Sentinel cons in Vancouver the producers were shocked (shocked!) that all these women (with serious disposable income) were their prime audience and not the 18-49 year old male demographic. Although I had a conversation recently with someone who posited that there are more female sci-fi fans associated with series television than male fans. Apparently more male fans are drawn to movies (franchises in particular). I'd be interested in following up on something like that because it makes you question what these two audiences are drawn to in those particular mediums.
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They had something similar with the stargate, (and Smallville) audiences I think. They tried to put them in timeslots to attract this supposed "key demographic" without realising that it's 25 - 40 year old wonmen who make up their audience, and also make up a disproportionate amoun t of the "active audience" (the ones that buy DVDs, attend cons, stay up till 1am debating on LJ *g*).
Anecdotally, women do seem far more involved in fandom full stop, and far more inviolved ins eries television - wheeras men seem more prominent in film audiences. It woudl be really interesting to examine that.